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James Lick of tcp.com

Postby mbanu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:31 am

Found his website: http://jameslick.com/

He played a big role in online anime fandom, at least. The Venice FTP server was on tcp.com. AnimeMUCK was on tcp.com. The homepage for Anime Expo was even on tcp.com in the early days...

It looks like he retired from his IT career and moved to Taiwan to get married and run a sandwich shop. (^_^)
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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby mbanu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:10 am

On second thought, maybe this should go in Off-Topic, as he doesn't seem to be involved with anime anymore. (^_^;)
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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby runesaint » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:12 pm

venice.mps.ohio-state.edu
I remember that.
I remember when the archives were put on CD and a copy was sent to me. A pity that was lost in one of the floods.

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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby mbanu » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:00 am

That's true! It was originally hosted at Ohio State by Marijan Adam while he was a student there, but network traffic got so high that it couldn't be hosted there anymore, so TCP stepped in. (^_^)

Those CD copies of the Venice archive are probably why it all exists archived today. Kinda like how a lot of old rec.arts.anime posts only exist because of a service way back when that offered to burn Usenet to CD for offline browsing. Sometimes the stories of how things are preserved are just as interesting as the actual content, IMHO.
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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby Lawmune » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:26 pm

mbanu wrote:That's true! It was originally hosted at Ohio State by Marijan Adam while he was a student there, but network traffic got so high that it couldn't be hosted there anymore, so TCP stepped in. (^_^)

Those CD copies of the Venice archive are probably why it all exists archived today. Kinda like how a lot of old rec.arts.anime posts only exist because of a service way back when that offered to burn Usenet to CD for offline browsing. Sometimes the stories of how things are preserved are just as interesting as the actual content, IMHO.


Not sure if I'm misinterpreting you, but Venice was mirrored on ftp.sunet.se

There is a live mirror of that still available here: https://ftp.gnome.org/mirror/archive/ft ... ime-manga/

Usenet groups are still available to be browsed/search via Google Groups:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.arts.anime
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum ... anime.misc

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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby mbanu » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:43 pm

My apologies! I sometimes leave out details that in hindsight I should have included. (^_^;)

Lawmune wrote:Not sure if I'm misinterpreting you, but Venice was mirrored on ftp.sunet.se


That is true -- there were two mirrors if I understand correctly, one within the U.S. at tcp.com, and the other at sunet.se.

A couple folks forwarded along shutdown announcements to Usenet:

530- ##### IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT #####
530-
530- This FTP site has SHUT DOWN on Sunday, June 5th!!!
530-
530- A new location for this archive is:
530-
530-
530- venice.tcp.com (128.95.44.29)
530-
530- all files are located under directory /pub/anime-manga
530-
530- In addition do continue to use image mirror site at
530- ftp.sunet.se under directory /pub/pictures/anime-manga
530-
530- Also, files are avaiable via WWW at URL
530-
530- http://www.tcp.com/pub/anime-manga/
530-
530- -Kimagure@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu
530-
530- P.S: if you are interested in obtaining a 2 CD-ROM
530- box set of all the files on venice you can obtain
530- more information via WWW URL:
530- http://io.com/user/dvc/cdrom/cdrom-ad.html
530- or by sending E-mail to dvc@io.com

(https://groups.google.com/forum/message ... MI5uNfpP4J)

Greetings!

This is the final update to be sent out regarding the status
of anime-manga archive formerly available at
venice.mps.ohio-state.edu.


As of Saturday night (6/25/94) anime-manga archive is on-line
at the new location which is:

venice.tcp.com (128.95.44.29)

All files are under directory /pub/anime-manga

There is already an anime archive available at this new location
and over time the two will be merged.

In addition, the WWW URL has changed as well. The new URL is now
http://www.tcp.com/pub/anime-manga/

Cheers,

MArijan

P.S.: any new uploads are to be made to /incoming directory (there is no
longer 'uploads' directory under 'anime-manga'.
----
/\ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
/\/ \/\ * * *
/ \ * Marijan Adam (on IRC a.k.a. Kimagure) * Fella from the sunny *
~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Kimagure@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu * side of the Alps *
June,25 1991 * * *
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

(https://groups.google.com/forum/message ... gUh2UaM_MJ)


Lawmune wrote:Usenet groups are still available to be browsed/search via Google Groups:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.arts.anime
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum ... anime.misc


I guess I was trying to refer back to how exactly Usenet ended up with an archive:
Landfield started archiving with entrepreneurial motives. In 1992 and 1993, while at Sterling Software in Omaha, Neb., Landfield had a side project that sold CDs of the Usenet archive. For $349.95 a year, every month you could get a CD burned with the content of Usenet. It was an attempt to cater to the user with a slower modem who still wanted access to every newsgroup.

“I realized that there was definitely a valuable historical aspect to the CDs themselves,” says Landfield. “The reality is, everybody thought that. We’re all just a bunch of packrats. We all knew there was a value to it, and it was a matter of how and when it would be used.”

(http://www.salon.com/2002/01/08/saving_usenet/)

The more I use it, the more I am impressed that it survived. (^_^) A lot of popular online forms of communicating about anime from the same timeframe seem to have no surviving record, like the FIDONet Anime Echo, or the Anime & Manga CompuServe Forum.
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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby mbanu » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:54 pm

mbanu wrote:like the FIDONet Anime Echo


And a slight correction there, one does exist for 2002-2010: https://fidonet.ozzmosis.com/echomail.php/anime

However, that was long after most folks had abandoned the format, so there are only a handful of messages. (^_^;)
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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby Lawmune » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:03 pm

I see what you mean now. Thanks for the extra detail! I didn't know about the tape and CD backups contributing to the completeness of the Usenet archive. That's a neat story. As a fan, I commonly saved interesting Usenet posts.

I was a fan of DejaNews when it came out. Over the years, Google changed it a lot, sometimes for the better, sometimes for worse. The RAA archive does go back further than I remember. I see a post from January 1988. I didn't really start reading RAA and RAAM until 1994.

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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby labsenpai » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:43 pm

mbanu wrote:That's true! It was originally hosted at Ohio State by Marijan Adam while he was a student there, but network traffic got so high that it couldn't be hosted there anymore, so TCP stepped in. (^_^)


I was there in Columbus at that time, going to the Animate Ohio State Club. I recall slipping in to Smith Lab (?) with Marijan to see him check on the Venice server (computers in the building were named after major cities) and chat with otaku as "Kimagure". He was leagues ahead of me on that front. When the club was passed along to underclassmen, he went to work at an internet provider in Columbus called Iwaynet. Sadly, none of us kept in touch. For a state with no coastline or popular convention, Ohio was a decent place for fans to be in the mid 90's. ;)

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Re: James Lick of tcp.com

Postby Lawmune » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:25 am

This thread (especially "For a state with no coastline or popular convention, Ohio was a decent place for fans to be in the mid 90's.") inspired me to do some analysis and write a blog post that I've been thinking about for awhile now:

The States with the Most Anime Conventions
http://www.lainspotting.com/2017/03/the ... tions.html


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