New Hollywood live-action anime adaptations in the works

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danth wrote:What will make or break the Scarlett Johansen thing for me is whether or not the movie is set in Tokyo. If it is, and they keep the name Major Kusanagi, it's going to seem pretty silly.
Oh, I dunno. I suspect there are many children of Japanese/American families that may take offense at such a comment. Kinda narrow minded, seems like.

After all and in the very least, she's a full body cyborg. Is what she looks like who she is? Isn't that the very point of the story?
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I think it's more narrow minded and more offensive that Hollywood cannot conceive of a Japanese leading lady...playing a Japanese character. It'd be different if this was Deunan Knute, who Shirow mentioned was a white African. You're right about the cyborg body thing though. I'm sure when the Japanese start making cyborgs the most popular models will look caucasian. :D
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So when is James Cameron ever gonna make Mai the Psychic Girl? We've only been waiting like... what... 20 years for that? :lol:
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greg wrote:So when is James Cameron ever gonna make Mai the Psychic Girl? We've only been waiting like... what... 20 years for that? :lol:
Didn't he drop that in favor of doing Battle Angel Alita? Which....still hasn't been made, either. :lol:
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The essential problem with a Hollywood adaptation of Ghost in the Shell is the simple fact that the franchise is not inherently mainstream accessible. GITS has always been more about abstract concepts, ideas, and philosophy. Even the GITS SAC series, which is the most accessible of all the GITS iterations, is a tough slog for those not used to basic cyber or post-cyberpunk concepts. It's not something a Joe Sixpack can get into or...dare I say it...understand.

At best, you can make it like The Matrix which seems "deep" to a mainstream audience but has enough accessible drama and big action set pieces for Joe Sixpack to ignore any incoherency or jargon-filled plot he doesn't understand.

So I would expect a Hollywood GITS to be very far from the spirit of the original manga and anime.

In related news, there's also a new GITS anime film coming out in Japan this summer if it hasn't been mentioned here yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... UEktyhOSxg

As for Battle Angel, Cameron said he plans to crank out 1 or 2 more Avatar sequels first. So, I'd mark down another 10-15 years of no Battle Angel at the very least.
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Chances are GITS is going to fall through like Akira
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Problem is that the Japanese don't do good adaptations themselves. Anyone check out the new Patlabor movie? How was it? There was a lot of hype, then nothing. The Space Battleship Yamato live movie wasn't all that great. Now we are going to get an Attack on Titan film with an all Japanese cast. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the characters in the manga all (but one) non Japanese? So, how's that going work? So, it's not just Hollywood that makes weird casting decisions. Why no international production? You'd think that would be the way to go especially with universally popular titles that are hits in many countries. This has been ongoing for years and years now...
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_D_ wrote:Problem is that the Japanese don't do good adaptations themselves. Anyone check out the new Patlabor movie? How was it? There was a lot of hype, then nothing. The Space Battleship Yamato live movie wasn't all that great. Now we are going to get an Attack on Titan film with an all Japanese cast. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the characters in the manga all (but one) non Japanese? So, how's that going work? So, it's not just Hollywood that makes weird casting decisions. Why no international production? You'd think that would be the way to go especially with universally popular titles that are hits in many countries. This has been ongoing for years and years now...
Well, yes, that's why in my comment I wanted to solely focus on that fact, because the whole issue of 'whitewashing' is, to my mind, foolish. The focus should be on the skill of the actor, not the color of their skin.

(must we talk racism? OK, how about how Hollywood is biased towards light skinned blacks? The reasoning is embedded, not wanting to 'offend' the Southern marketplace. Light skinned blacks are seen as 'acceptable' and 'safe' and 'non threatening' to the perceived prejudice. There, that should send the snake to eating its own tail. :) )

But that gets all messy and sticky and stuff. Hence my desire to throw it away in the discussion.

Yes, Japan is just as bad about adapting. I've seen a little of the Live Patlabor and man, it's just flat and poorly produced, and the noble attempt with full scale Patlabors is completely wiped out by the clumsy '90s vidgame CGI robots used for any scene needing actual movement. The acting struck me more on a par with a comedy sketch troupe. Maybe the problem for me was, in addition to not seeing the whole thing, it just has the air of "we changed the names but these really are supposed to be the same people from the anime, really!" going on. Maybe it's on me. Maybe I don't understand enough about how the Japanese Police act, what is 'normal' so I can laugh at how 'outside the norm' SV2 is.

And I've not heard anyone speak of the Live Gatchaman that came out. That thing vanished from the public eye faster than snow in August.

I said it before and will say it again, the Live Yamato was the best we could have hoped for. Even with the changes, some of which do rather eviscerate the core of the MEANING of the story, it still hangs together reasonably well.

Naturally, it's sad when the most one can hope for is "well, it didn't suck".

The good news is, all the American anime adaptions supposedly in the works, I don't expect a single one of them to actually go before the cameras. Speed Racer doing poorly at the American box office (and I mostly LOVE that movie) was a huge poison pill, Pacific Rim also doing bad in the U.S. (not anime of course but obviously informed and inspired by) was another nail in the coffin. The adaption of Kite came out, right? haven't heard much of anything on that either.

It's people making "I'm DOING SOMETHING" noise. Some are struggling to get on board that 'super hero and/or comic book' train that is already pretty much 'done' for everybody other than Marvel, and some remember that there anny-may stuff comes from comics called MAAAAANNNNNGGGAA (ha, see what I did there? :) ), so let's scoop up some rights and put out a press release to make it HAWT.
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Pacific Rim 2 is in production:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2557478/

Now, doing Mobile Suit Gundam or Macross live would be my dream but I think it's daydream at this time.

I was going to mention Gatchaman as well. That SHOULD definitely have been an international production. But it's like sentai...why do the villains bother attacking Japan? Seems like a wasted effort to come from some other planet and not try to take out the toughest armies or governments. Japan sure ain't it...
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_D_ wrote:Pacific Rim 2 is in production:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2557478/

Now, doing Mobile Suit Gundam or Macross live would be my dream but I think it's daydream at this time.

I was going to mention Gatchaman as well. That SHOULD definitely have been an international production. But it's like sentai...why do the villains bother attacking Japan? Seems like a wasted effort to come from some other planet and not try to take out the toughest armies or governments. Japan sure ain't it...
Yeah, I know about Pacific Rim 2. Note I said "did poorly in the U.S.". Pacific Rim did REAL good overseas, mainly because nobody does that kind of huge epic screen thing like Hollywood.

According to IMDB, the film cost close to $200 million USD and only took in just over $100 Million domestic gross (not factoring in home video, streaming, download, pay-per-view or TV syndication sales) which marks it as a crashing failure. And yet it did well over $300 million USD from the rest of the world, and again not factoring in all those other extra sales. That makes it worth making another movie, I am going to expect they'll demand the budget be kept down.
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